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#exstrange<\/em>\u00a0is a live exhibition platform for all those who would love to use eBay as an ideation, production and distribution channel, that invites to think about digital commerce not only as a sales tool but, in particular, as an activator of relational processes.<\/h6>\n
#exstrange<\/em> began with Marialaura\u00a0Ghidini and Marialaura\u00a0Ghidini\u00a0Rebekah\u00a0<\/strong>Modrak\u2019s curatorial invitation to 21 artists to launch a 7-day artwork\/auction. One of these auctions launches every day, beginning on January 15, 2017. The next stage of the show started on February 5, 2017 when guest curators based across the globe invite three artists each to participate in the exhibition.<\/h6>\n

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Elena Giulia Abbiatici: Exstrange. Which are the reasons of the title?<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n

RM: #exstrange<\/em> comes from our working title Exchange with Stranger<\/em>, which referred to both to the exchange of ideas, services, and goods that occurs within the online market. Normally, the goal of these transactions is monetary and functional, that is \u2014 the winning bidder acquires a new item and the seller makes some money. We reimagined the auction itself as the experience, so that the potential for exchange could be much broader and impact more browsers.<\/p>\n

ML: Rebekah and I wanted to explore the types of relationship that might occur on eBay between an artist and a buyer, and an artwork and an audience; all relationships that originate from exchanges between strangers, between communities of interest that are often far apart. The hashtag refers to the online search archives that, because of the ubiquitousness of social media, have started to adopt community-generated keywords as search tools. Over the course of the 3 months of the project, #exstrange<\/em> has become the \u2018search term\u2019 for artworks conceived to challenge the assumptions related to the \u2018aura\u2019 of the artwork, to question the role of the artist\/author within or outside the institutionalised art system, and to disrupt processes of validation and verification of standards of \u2018quality\u2019 that adopt a \u2018globalised\u2019 method of categorisation, dissemination and interpretation.<\/p>\n

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Which were the proveniences of the artists?<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n

ML: They come from different countries all around the world, from the US to Canada and Mexico in America, from Spain to Italy, to Austria, to Germany, to The Netherlands, to Belgium, to the UK, to Ireland, to Sweden in Europe, from Zimbabwe in Africa, from Bahrain and UEA in the Middle East, from Singapore to India in South Asia, from China in Asia, and lastly from Australia.\u00a0We tried to cover most of the countries where eBay offers its service.<\/p>\n

We know the mechanisms of the art auction corporates through the two “major” fine art auction Sotheby’s and Christie’s, addressed to the artists who have already had success in the art market. Instead in your curatorial choice you have invited artists that work along a research line that places, too, the questioning of the contemporary art system itself and its marketing rules. Why did you decide to make an art auction and how did you choose the projects?<\/span> <\/strong><\/h5>\n

ML: I feel that what we did was not to make an art auction, but to instigate artistic actions that used the format of the auction as a medium of expression. The eBay platform was a sort of radical attempt at generating a way of doing business that was aimed at the individual and was supposed to overcome geographical and administrative barriers. In 1995 it was one of the first examples of e-commerce \u2018for all\u2019, it was a market place online for one-to-one exchanges. It then became a multinational corporation that has lost its original \u2018radicality\u2019 but still retains many potentials that can be used not only to question what \u201cmarket success\u201d as you say is, or showcase and distribute art, but also to trigger encounters between disparate people that would not necessarily come into contact with one another\u2014especially in the context of contemporary art or auction houses. Christie\u2019s and Sotheby\u2019s are renowned for promoting the idea of high-end culture and luxury, and new forms of auctioning online, from Artsy to Paddle8, have not moved very far away from the model of their predecessors, even if they aim to propose, as their websites state, a \u2018redefinition\u2019 of the characteristics of collectors and collecting in the 21st century. With #exstrange<\/em> our main focus was not on validating an artistic practice through offering expert advice on the best buy, or showcasing CVs, but on challenging the status quo of how art, artists and their practices might be encountered. It is from this thinking that our selection of artists and guest curators participating in the project\u2014who at the end of the project number almost 100\u2014comes. As you said, we were interested in artists whose practices are often process- and research-oriented and whose artworks are often \u2018difficult\u2019 to collect or pin down to a tangible outcome or a category. We had many instances of artists who decided to offer services rather than objects. With Programmed Leisure<\/em>, Silvio Lorusso offered a bot-generated programme of self-care\u2014read: scheduled time off\u2014to his buyer; whereas Tara Kelton, with Human Internal Memory Storage<\/em>, sold her brain as a storage system for her buyer to store images following the instructions she sent to him in the form of a contract. Many artists questioned the very same definitions of what constitutes an artwork, and the narratives around it. Replica of the Original<\/em> by Archana Hande auctioned personal items belonging to Archana Devi\u2014a fictional character, part of an ongoing project by the artist\u2014who is an upper class Indian woman, mythologising her lineage and life in the manner in which stardom and celebrity gossip functions within and outside the contemporary art system. The idea of what a collectible might be was explored by several artists. With 1000 Rupees Indian Currency \u2013 Canceled Currency<\/em>, Matt Kenyon tapped into the realm of banknotes and coin collectors online by selling an erased 1,000 Rupees note, which last November the current Indian government suddenly withdrew, making it banned\u2014one of the most controversial processes of de-monetization to move towards a digitised economy. Other artists made direct points about the economic infrastructure that dominates the art world, in which labour is very often valued according to unquantifiable terms which are alien to other fields of work. Geraldine Ju\u00e1rez\u2019s Press Release, 2017<\/em> looks at how editorialization not only reframes an artwork but also adds values to it. The artist asked writer Andy Sarafan to write a press release for her work for #exstrange<\/em> and she offered it for sale, \u201cproducing\u201d, in Ju\u00e1rez\u2019s words, \u201climited editions of the clerical work required by curators, venues, publications, funding applications, etcetera\u201d.<\/p>\n

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There are some ‘site – specific’ works, how did you participate to the conception, if you did?<\/span> <\/strong><\/h5>\n

ML: All works were site-specific, even when they were a reiteration or redevelopment of previous projects. Our invitation to participate came with a specific instruction, that is, that the work would be the entire auction, meaning that each element of the eBay auction, from the chosen category to the title, the descriptive text, the images accompanying it and the price, constituted the artwork. This is why Rebekah and I started to talk about artworks-as-auctions, or #exstrange <\/em>auctions. Our participation was limited to this, and in some cases to questions and feedback to the artists to clarify how their intervention responded to the assumptions related to the eBay interface and the jargon used in e-commerce, for example. Our main participation in the project has been that of organising it behind the scenes! Most of the work went into keeping the projects updated on our website daily, gathering data related to the sales of the auction and exchanges in our numerous shared Excel sheets, and promoting the artworks on social media to keep our diverse and dispersed audience engaged in the live exhibition.<\/p>\n

RM: As Marialaura said, all #exstrange<\/em> works are site-specific because eBay offers an almanac of cultural contexts. In creating your artwork\/auction, you have to select a context when you choose a Category. This is a great advantage because, as an artist working situationally in the \u201creal world,\u201d you may not be able to install your work in a real estate agency, but, within eBay, there are no impediments. For example, Masimba Hwati, from Zimbabwe, created a work that offered a soil sample from a historic hill in the capital, Harare, where the First Colonialist settlers planted the British flag in 1890. Through our conversations, Masimba shifted from listing this sample on ebay.uk under the category \u201cArt\u201d to placing it within \u201cLand,\u201d which allowed him to engage an audience purchasing terrain with questions about history and ownership. He then relisted the soil on ebay.com, which uses the category \u201cReal Estate\u201d rather than \u201cLand,\u201d thus shifting the meaning of his soil from \u201cearth\u201d to \u201cland-based property.\u201d A number of artists shared Hwati\u2019s initial impulse to place work within \u201cArt.\u201d I interpret this as the influence of gallery-thinking, even for artists who are quite conceptual and flexible in how they think of venues. And I speculate that \u201cArt\u201d is often subconsciously the context for what artists produce. I should also say that there are many works in #exstrange<\/em> where \u201cArt\u201d was appropriately the context, even amidst so many other categories of choice.<\/p>\n

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Normally the proceeds of the art auctions end up in the collectors’ pockets. In this case how do reports and receipts run? Was there someone managing the relationship artist – user?<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n

ML: Each artist was \u2018responsible\u2019 for running their own auction and directly managed the communication with prospective buyers or curious onlookers who asked questions. In this sense we were not a mediating entity as such, the eBay interface was mediating the work for the artists and us. All money received from the sales went to the artists\u2014minus the eBay and Paypal or similars fees.<\/p>\n

How did ebay users answer? Which were the projects purchased and those with the most debated offers?<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n

ML: #exstrange<\/em> received very different responses from personal to philosophical to strictly commercial types of communication. It really varied according to the artwork and who stumbled upon each of them.<\/p>\n

RM: First, I want to point out that, for us as curators, we were primarily interested in the work\u2019s presence as a live auction. While the sale and future engagements are of interest and enter into the realm of social practice, we were more focused on the work\u2019s engagement with the eBay audience. Individual artists had their own perspective on \u201cthe sale.\u201d For some, selling the work was integral to the work; others attempted to thwart sales. For example, Maximilian Goldfarb set his price of \u201cAccess to Tools in Outer Space\u201d to the appropriate futuristic space odyssey price of $2001.00. And Natalie Boterman and her winning bidder had lengthy conversations and debates about the meaning, hierarchy and value of her work. These discussions began during the auction, with Boterman\u2019s candid responses more concerned with describing her relationship with her work than in trying to make the sale.<\/p>\n

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Of the 88 artworks\/auctions that have ended so far, 50 sold. Many projects had multiple bidders:<\/p>\n

43 bids \u2013 JODI \u2013 EBAY shopping bag \u2013 EUR 60,00<\/p>\n

26 bids \u2013 Fieldfaring \u2013 Stick \u2013 With History of Affordance – $71.00<\/p>\n

22 bids \u2013Elisa Giardina Papa – Archive Fever Vol.37: My browser history [Feb 2017] – $35.00<\/p>\n

17 bids \u2013 Tara Kelton \u2013 Human Internal Memory Storage – $112.50<\/p>\n

16 bids \u2013 Sarah Schonfeld, Flying Sorcerer \u2013 EUR 27.50<\/p>\n

13 bids \u2013 Sophia Brueckner \u2013 Captured by an Algorithm, Romance Novel Commemorative Plate, 1st<\/sup> Edition – $36.00<\/p>\n

12 bids \u2013 Matt Kenyon, 1000 Rupees Indian Currency \u2013 Canceled Currency – $69.88<\/p>\n

10 bids (ongoing) – FICTILIS – Your Own Named Exhibit within the Museum of Capitalism – $14.21<\/p>\n

8 bids \u2013 Lloyd Corporation – Bankrupt. Bulk Buy. Liquidation. Repossession. \u2013 5.50 Pounds<\/p>\n

7 bids \u2013 Kamilia Kard \u2013 HE.ART \u2013 3D Heart Mini Sculptures + Limited edition Stickers Pack for Messenger \u2013 EUR 35,50<\/p>\n

7 bids \u2013 john freyer \u2013 \u201cSeven Left Socks\u201d dark, missing mates, unique edition, mismatched- $51.00<\/p>\n

6 bids \u2013 Xi Jie Ng – Anonymous Grandma Souvenirs – $11.50<\/p>\n

5 bids \u2013 Maeve O\u2019Neill \u2013 Limited Edition 12\u201d Vinyl, \u2018Donald Trump from Space\u2019 – $13.50<\/p>\n

5 bids – Silvio Lorusso \u2013 Programmed Leisure – $19.50<\/p>\n

\u00a0And a few projects had robust responses using the Buy it Now format:<\/p>\n

Ajit Bhadoria, Chinar Shah, Surabhi Vaya \u2013 An Apology For Sale \u2013 Rs. 1,769.47 (sold within the first day)<\/p>\n

Eno Laget \u2013 Porch Jesus – $200.00 ($50.00 more than the asking price)<\/p>\n

IOCOSE – Instant Protest \u2013 sold ten at $10.00<\/p>\n

\u2026 to be continued…<\/em><\/p>\n

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